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	<title>Comments on: California Passes TV Energy Efficiency Standards</title>
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		<title>By: Living wall artist</title>
		<link>http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/11/california-passes-tv-energy-efficiency-standards/#comment-38667</link>
		<dc:creator>Living wall artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it&#039;s good to reduce the time we watch TV, but the good news is that TV&#039;s are becoming much more efficient. LCD&#039;s now use much less energy than the old cathode ray tube tv&#039;s we used to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it&#8217;s good to reduce the time we watch TV, but the good news is that TV&#8217;s are becoming much more efficient. LCD&#8217;s now use much less energy than the old cathode ray tube tv&#8217;s we used to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
		<link>http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/11/california-passes-tv-energy-efficiency-standards/#comment-36724</link>
		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The size of the televisions isnt the only thing getting bigger, so is the amount of televisions in one household.  When i was growing up, we had one television in the house, now the average American home has at least 4 energy hogging televisions in the home.  To top it off there are times of the day when all of them are on at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The size of the televisions isnt the only thing getting bigger, so is the amount of televisions in one household.  When i was growing up, we had one television in the house, now the average American home has at least 4 energy hogging televisions in the home.  To top it off there are times of the day when all of them are on at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Metal Briefcases</title>
		<link>http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/11/california-passes-tv-energy-efficiency-standards/#comment-36056</link>
		<dc:creator>Metal Briefcases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that televisions consumed 10% of a home&#039;s energy.  It does seem silly that this bill does not cover tvs over 58&quot;.  I thought they were actually banning the sale of tvs that big in california.  I think people should have a right to buy whatever tv, appliances or vehicles they want.  They should just be taxed accordingly.  If a person&#039;s energy use is higher, they should have to pay extra for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that televisions consumed 10% of a home&#8217;s energy.  It does seem silly that this bill does not cover tvs over 58&#8243;.  I thought they were actually banning the sale of tvs that big in california.  I think people should have a right to buy whatever tv, appliances or vehicles they want.  They should just be taxed accordingly.  If a person&#8217;s energy use is higher, they should have to pay extra for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Televisions become primary needs for many people. It is good to reduce the energy consumption by using television with energy efficiency standard. I really support this action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Televisions become primary needs for many people. It is good to reduce the energy consumption by using television with energy efficiency standard. I really support this action.</p>
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		<title>By: Used Tires</title>
		<link>http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/11/california-passes-tv-energy-efficiency-standards/#comment-34355</link>
		<dc:creator>Used Tires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, without a doubt, it is a step in the right direction, let&#039;s hope that this is only the beginning, and it leads to more and better energy efficient standards, because lets all face it, we need it. Hopefully more states follow threw with even better standards.

Till then,

Jean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, without a doubt, it is a step in the right direction, let&#8217;s hope that this is only the beginning, and it leads to more and better energy efficient standards, because lets all face it, we need it. Hopefully more states follow threw with even better standards.</p>
<p>Till then,</p>
<p>Jean</p>
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		<title>By: Atlanta Fence</title>
		<link>http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/11/california-passes-tv-energy-efficiency-standards/#comment-34187</link>
		<dc:creator>Atlanta Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, california is messed up. It&#039;s great to see improvements like this, but they have so many other problems. I don&#039;t blame Arnold for being done with politics after this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, california is messed up. It&#8217;s great to see improvements like this, but they have so many other problems. I don&#8217;t blame Arnold for being done with politics after this.</p>
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		<title>By: peter dublin</title>
		<link>http://www.paystolivegreen.com/2009/11/california-passes-tv-energy-efficiency-standards/#comment-33863</link>
		<dc:creator>peter dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE &quot;I think a better way to cut back on energy consumption is to watch less television and not purchase such massive televisions.&quot;

Good point..I don&#039;t even have a TV anymore.

Personally, I think the California ban is wrong,
I agree it&#039;s good to let people know how they csn save energy and money, but it should be voluntary.

1.
Where there is a problem - deal with the problem!
 
Energy: there is no energy shortage
(given renewable/nuclear development possibilities, with set emission limits)
and consumers - not politicians - pay for energy and how they wish to use it.
Notice: If there was an energy shortage, its price rise would limit
people using it anyway.
No need to legislate for it...
 
 
It might sound great to
&quot;Let everyone save money by only allowing energy efficient products&quot;
 
However:
Inefficient products that use more energy can have performance,
appearance and construction advantages
Examples (using cars, buildings, dishwashers, TV sets, light bulbs etc):
http://ceolas.net/#cc211x
For example,  big plasma TV screens have image contrast and other
advantages along with their large image sizes.
 
Products using more energy usually cost less, or they&#039;d be more energy
efficient already.
There might therefore not be any total running cost savings either,
depending on how much such a cheaper product is used.

Other factors also contribute to a lack of savings:

If households use less energy as a result of the various bans,
then utility companies make less money,
and will just raise electricity prices to cover their costs.
So people don&#039;t save as much money as they thought.
 
Conversely,
energy efficiency in effect means cheaper energy,
so people just leave TV sets etc on more, knowing that energy bills are lower,
as also shown by Scottish and Cambridge research
http://ceolas.net/#cc214x
 
Either way, supposed energy - or money -  savings aren&#039;t there.
 
Emissions?
Do electrical products give out any CO2 gas?
Emissions (for all else they contain too) can be dealt with directly via energy substitution or emission processing
See http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x
 
The excuse that dealing with emissions like that takes too long does not hold up, as explained,
http://www.ceolas.net/#cc201x
- also because of the taxation alternative......
 
2.
Taxation, while still wrong, is better than bans for all concerned.
 
This is not like a ban on dangerous  lead paint!
It&#039;s simply a ban to  (supposedly) reduce electricity consumption.
TV set taxation based on energy efficiency - unlike bans - gives
Governor Schwarzenegger&#039;s impoverished California Government income on
the reduced sales, while consumers keep choice.
This also applies generally,
to cars, buildings, dishwashers, light bulbs etc,
where politicians instead keep trying to define what people can or can&#039;t use.
 
Politicians can use the tax money raised to fund home insulation
schemes, renewable projects etc that lower energy use and emissions
more than remaining product use raises them.
Energy efficient products can have any sales taxes lowered, making
them cheaper than today.
People are not just hit by taxes, they don&#039;t have to buy the higher
taxed products - and at least they CAN still buy them.
 
Of course, to avoid smuggling,  bans (and to a lesser extent taxes) have to be applied nationwide or internationally.
Both bans and taxes are in any case unjustified, taxes just being a comparably better option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE &#8220;I think a better way to cut back on energy consumption is to watch less television and not purchase such massive televisions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point..I don&#8217;t even have a TV anymore.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the California ban is wrong,<br />
I agree it&#8217;s good to let people know how they csn save energy and money, but it should be voluntary.</p>
<p>1.<br />
Where there is a problem &#8211; deal with the problem!</p>
<p>Energy: there is no energy shortage<br />
(given renewable/nuclear development possibilities, with set emission limits)<br />
and consumers &#8211; not politicians &#8211; pay for energy and how they wish to use it.<br />
Notice: If there was an energy shortage, its price rise would limit<br />
people using it anyway.<br />
No need to legislate for it&#8230;</p>
<p>It might sound great to<br />
&#8220;Let everyone save money by only allowing energy efficient products&#8221;</p>
<p>However:<br />
Inefficient products that use more energy can have performance,<br />
appearance and construction advantages<br />
Examples (using cars, buildings, dishwashers, TV sets, light bulbs etc):<br />
<a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc211x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc211x</a><br />
For example,  big plasma TV screens have image contrast and other<br />
advantages along with their large image sizes.</p>
<p>Products using more energy usually cost less, or they&#8217;d be more energy<br />
efficient already.<br />
There might therefore not be any total running cost savings either,<br />
depending on how much such a cheaper product is used.</p>
<p>Other factors also contribute to a lack of savings:</p>
<p>If households use less energy as a result of the various bans,<br />
then utility companies make less money,<br />
and will just raise electricity prices to cover their costs.<br />
So people don&#8217;t save as much money as they thought.</p>
<p>Conversely,<br />
energy efficiency in effect means cheaper energy,<br />
so people just leave TV sets etc on more, knowing that energy bills are lower,<br />
as also shown by Scottish and Cambridge research<br />
<a href="http://ceolas.net/#cc214x" rel="nofollow">http://ceolas.net/#cc214x</a></p>
<p>Either way, supposed energy &#8211; or money &#8211;  savings aren&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>Emissions?<br />
Do electrical products give out any CO2 gas?<br />
Emissions (for all else they contain too) can be dealt with directly via energy substitution or emission processing<br />
See <a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cc1x</a></p>
<p>The excuse that dealing with emissions like that takes too long does not hold up, as explained,<br />
<a href="http://www.ceolas.net/#cc201x" rel="nofollow">http://www.ceolas.net/#cc201x</a><br />
- also because of the taxation alternative&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>2.<br />
Taxation, while still wrong, is better than bans for all concerned.</p>
<p>This is not like a ban on dangerous  lead paint!<br />
It&#8217;s simply a ban to  (supposedly) reduce electricity consumption.<br />
TV set taxation based on energy efficiency &#8211; unlike bans &#8211; gives<br />
Governor Schwarzenegger&#8217;s impoverished California Government income on<br />
the reduced sales, while consumers keep choice.<br />
This also applies generally,<br />
to cars, buildings, dishwashers, light bulbs etc,<br />
where politicians instead keep trying to define what people can or can&#8217;t use.</p>
<p>Politicians can use the tax money raised to fund home insulation<br />
schemes, renewable projects etc that lower energy use and emissions<br />
more than remaining product use raises them.<br />
Energy efficient products can have any sales taxes lowered, making<br />
them cheaper than today.<br />
People are not just hit by taxes, they don&#8217;t have to buy the higher<br />
taxed products &#8211; and at least they CAN still buy them.</p>
<p>Of course, to avoid smuggling,  bans (and to a lesser extent taxes) have to be applied nationwide or internationally.<br />
Both bans and taxes are in any case unjustified, taxes just being a comparably better option.</p>
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